Can i ~~say~~ speak english here？
由 sixer 发布于 2014年06月10日 ｜ 更新于 2015年02月12日tinyfool 等1人欣赏。
Hi，everybody, i had watch a program on the Tencent Video which name is 《How to learn any foreign language in six month》, i think it's helpful for my english study, so i share it at here:
How to learn any foreign language in six month
I have not write&--say-- speak english for long time, all above may have many mistakes, but if you can know even a little about my mean, i will very happy!!!!
Thanks for the sharing . You should actually use "speak English" or "type in English" not "say English " no big deal but I care.
No offense but, just try to use an environment that help you check your spells please. I have no idea why you would use "happy" as a verb and a "very" before it...
Generally it is not a problem for people to understand what you were saying. However, if you want to build your character in a positive way, or if you want to gain more trust from your audience, you might want to say it in a more grammatically correct form. That might be like this:
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Hi, everybody, I have watched a program on the Tencent Video which name is "How to learn any foreign language in six month". I think it's helpful for my English study, so I('d like to) share it at here:
How to learn any foreign language in six month
I have not written or spoken in English for long time, so all above may have many mistakes, but if you can know even a little about what I mean, i will be very happy.
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Please note:
1. there is no space between the end of a clause and the tailing punctuation, and there is always a space between a punctuation and the starting of the next clause.
2. when a comma is used to separate two clauses, a conjunctive word should be in place to separate the clauses, otherwise use period as opposed to comma.
These are my two cents. :)
I don't think correcting grammar problem is a better way to create a active friendly English learning environment. Because I think learning must from a lot of true communicate with fully information, when I talk with any foreigner, they never correct me, but when we have a real talk I can learn more from them, than just be corrected some error.
But when you use English with Chinese, talk about alway the grammar, is so boring, so I don't like use English with Chinese.
I am not saying right grammar is useless, but when I say something not perfect, you just say something with "right grammar", I can learn from that.
6楼 @sixer Well, basically an adjective needs a link verb, and "will" is not a link verb.
10楼 @tinyfool I would say your example includes a fact that, "you know what is correct and/or you know what you need to learn". That requires a good knowledge of the language, or a good knowledge of "learning", which, I don't think every one owns.
I was in Japan for my undergraduate life and the Japanese are very sensitive to the correctness of what I speak. So, your experience makes you think what you think, and so does mine.
First,I want learn some English about real world, but look what are way talk about "English about how to learn English."
And I think what is correct is very easy, Like I talk something with you, you can say some word I may know but can not use in my words, or, you are a native English speaker, or you live in English speaking country, and so on.
I have talk a lot with some native English speaker, every time they never correct my grammar, and I get a lot of information, because I never been stopped. And I think I learn a lot of new words.
First, I would rather say, we are not talking about "English about how to learn English", but "whether correcting English in communications is necessary". And you are giving examples in "real-time communications" or maybe also in some "low-delay communications". But I have to say it does not completely match the situation here.
Second, I have an opposite idea from yours. Knowing what is correct is not easy. There are differences between oral English and formal writing English. For people who has less knowledge that would be confusing when they are facing cases such like "There ain't nobody" and "There isn't anybody". People who are not familiar with the basic rules can hardly tell right from wrong all by instinct.
Third, I agree that in communications information is much important than the form it is bonded in. But that is in real-time communications, and maybe also in some low-delay communications. However we are in a BBS using typed words. We are capable to write formal English instead of the informal one. Precise descriptions are much helpful than a few words or tags. Just like in the second paragraph in your reply, you spells well, but when your words come to the "or" and latter, I have to guess what is your key point and the relations between the words and the point. That may cause misunderstandings and mistakes in communications that we might have avoided by using more precise and formal words.
So, in communications like here, the correction is compulsory? No. Necessary? I'd say Yes.
Only to make it clear: I am not a native speaker, nor living in an English speaking environment. I have never been to any English speaking country (except a 5-day trip to Bali, Indonesia). And when I was in Japan, I spoke Japanese and took lectures in Japanese. And now I'm living in Shenyang, Liaoning.
- I have some letter with native speaker and when I answer some question at quora or Stackoverflow, they still never correct my grammar either.
- I know you at not a native speaker, nor living in an English speaking environment, you was in Japan, because you already say that at 12 floor.
- I would rather listen you talk about Japan, or some coding stuff than listen you talk about "whether correcting English in communications is necessary".
- I just tell you I can learn from them more than you, because they never correct me, so we can have real communicate. So I learned. So from my point way, correct me is not necessary.
- I replied you just tell you, I think correct is not necessary, and not useful, and I still say that, never change.
Please notice I keep "assuming" your situation by "assuming" what the guys you talked to think, not what you think.
And also please notice I am not saying "you need to", but saying "to me, what you have done seems like".
Finally, let's close this case since you think personal opinions are not worth discussions in this way and I agree on it.
11楼 @sixer @elgs just did what I want to do and is much more better than what I am going to do,please follow his instructions ,you will gain lots from them. I agree with elgs that grammar is important . Tiny fool said grammar will be no helpful for creat a better environment for English learning and acquiring information , it is no true . Because a rule will help each other reduce the misunderstanding,it is of cause help people to get more information but you can still and you should keep speaking and writing in English ,it will help you a lot .and people like
LOL the argument looks better in english even it is quite a big one, would love to see arguments taken this way.
And im a hundred percent agree with @tinyfool , grammar is a way to deliver communication, not the goal
as long as I can understand or be understood, I don't mind some small mistakes. important is the information within our words :)
Well I just watched the upper floors. I lived in Japan for a year nobody corrected my word mistakes. They just gave me hint when I forgot the word I want to express. And I also think that gramma is not so important. It might be helpful for a language students but for most of us, we just use language to discuss and get the information we want. How to express your opinion clearly is definitely important than perfect gramma.